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CS234

2024-09-16 05:30:50 UTC

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

randuser

2024-09-16 16:16:50 UTC

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randomuser

2024-09-16 16:18:11 UTC

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- ok ok
- test test

root

2024-09-16 16:38:14 UTC

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- hello
- world

jhugentobler

2024-09-17 05:46:12 UTC

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Hello,

Just tested the LAB, everything seems to be working well !

Jérémy Hugentobler (EA)

Melvin

2024-09-18 10:02:30 UTC

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Thsi is my follow up response

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Samarah

2024-09-18 12:21:17 UTC

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Licklider and Taylor emphasized communication over data processing,
which is a concept realized by Usenet. Usenet allows people to
engage in discussions and exchange ideas on a wide range of topics
through newsgroups. It has also been used as a platform for
distributing intellectual resources, facilitating the sharing of
knowledge across a large user base. However, social media and the
World Wide Web have overshadowed Usenet, aligning more closely with
Licklider and Taylor’s vision of widespread and easily accessible
communication for all. The interactive and multimedia capabilities
of these newer platforms offer features that Usenet doesn't provide,
making them more engaging for modern users.

root

2024-09-18 13:31:43 UTC

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This is a test

root

2024-09-18 13:41:42 UTC

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test 2

root

2024-09-18 13:45:21 UTC

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Can I post multiple times??

root

2024-09-18 14:40:35 UTC

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2024-09-18 14:44:37 UTC

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melvin

2024-09-18 14:45:28 UTC

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Post by CS234
How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Their vision was realized through these aspects:
Features like follow up encourage interactive dialogue thus going beyond one-way transfer of information.

They were interested in cooperative modelling where people communicate and confront their internal models for a subject.

The organization of discussion in groups provides an outline for what the subject of the discussion ought to be.
Each article is listed and accessible through a tree architecture.
The delimitation to specific topics invite the users to compare their mental models.
By placing each article at the same hierarchical level,this highlights how each model is competing with one another rather than prescribing a specific relationship between the various articles
Users thus form online communities of common interests.

The presence of articles in full before the response of the subsequent user as well as the quote features is analogous to the use of the computer at the Stanford research Institute:
- Users can read in full the primary data of other users (their articles)
- They can read through articles without interrupting any user

Usenet's design resembles more a store and forward rather than a channel switching.
Users can on request publish an article. Then they can at request retrieve an article. There is no need to be listening to the channel while another user is writing on it.
All of which is managed by the code used to run Usenet which constitutes an OLIVER.

Usenet is an open-ended network evidenced by the fact that this assignment will be completed by many student under different operating systems.

However their analysis is out of date or wrong on some fronts :
- The cost of hourly communication is drastically lower than their estimated 16$/hr (with inflation 144$/hr)
- ISPs for home internet do still provide "continuous" access to telephone lines and charge as such based on this promise
whereas phone operators "promise" continuous access but in effect use store and forward infrastructure as per their preduction and offer quotas based on volume

root

2024-09-19 07:15:57 UTC

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Hello!

In my opinion, Usenet reflects many of the key ideas from Licklider and Taylor's concept in The Computer as a Communication Device.
Their idea was that computers would not just share static data but help people solve problems together by creating "communities of interest."
Usenet does this by providing a decentralized platform where people from all over the world can discuss specific topics through newsgroups,
breaking down geographic barriers and allowing the free exchange of ideas.

However, some parts of their vision took a different direction.
Licklider and Taylor imagined more real-time interaction and integrated tools for collaboration with dynamic interfaces, like shared workspaces and instant feedback.
Usenet focuses on asynchronous communication, missing those real-time collaborative elements.
Modern tools like Slack, Google Docs, and video conferencing have evolved in line with their vision,
offering multimedia interaction and live collaboration, which Usenet, being mostly text-based, doesn't provide.

Best regards

florian

2024-09-19 07:58:28 UTC

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fix: I repost this time with my dont-email address in the From: section (attempt 2)

Hello!

In my opinion, Usenet reflects many of the key ideas from Licklider and Taylor's concept in The Computer as a Communication Device.
Their idea was that computers would not just share static data but help people solve problems together by creating "communities of interest."
Usenet does this by providing a decentralized platform where people from all over the world can discuss specific topics through newsgroups,
breaking down geographic barriers and allowing the free exchange of ideas.

However, some parts of their vision took a different direction.
Licklider and Taylor imagined more real-time interaction and integrated tools for collaboration with dynamic interfaces, like shared workspaces and instant feedback.
Usenet focuses on asynchronous communication, missing those real-time collaborative elements.
Modern tools like Slack, Google Docs, and video conferencing have evolved in line with their vision, offering multimedia interaction and live collaboration,
which Usenet, being mostly text-based, doesn't provide.

Best regards!

david

2024-09-19 09:34:52 UTC

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In their paper, Licklider and Taylor envisioned the connection of communities of geographically separated people with common interests, which they can share thoughts and collaborate without having to travel far or wait for the rather slow analogue solutions available at the time. They also spoke of a "supercommunity", which interconnects all members of all communities. UseNet achieves this goal.

However, as already touched upon in the lecture, the authors present an almost utopian vision of what a network like UseNet could bring the world, predicting greater happiness, higher productivity, lower unemployment, etc. The effects brought upon by UseNet are however, to my knowledge, not even remotely this gigantic in scale.

Also, if we zoom out and compare the current 2024 state of the world, the argument could be made that our modern forms of communication, which in essence do resemble the author's vision, have brought up countless benefits; however the "rose-tinted" vision by the authors failed to predict plenty of negative consequences, even consequences directly linked the the mentioned benefits, such as f.e. stress and anxiety caused by being constantly connected.

Santhos

2024-09-19 12:44:54 UTC

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- Usenet aligns with the world communicating about very specific subject in order to share knowledge.
This is made very practical by making the discussions threaded around a given subject.
In the reading, the author argued that this was a form of creative communication as opposed
to what phone calls for example.
- One point that evolved rather differently from what the author imagined is that people due to
being anonymous might also create a toxic environnement for the subgroups they don't like.
This is something that was rather difficult to imagine as the concept of anonymity wasn't
really in people's daily life when the article was written.
- I also think the author was very optimistic about the future of communication and couldn't have guessed
about how people were going to interact with the new technologies in a bad way.

Loris

2024-09-19 15:53:15 UTC

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UseNet fits into the vision inside "The Computer as a comunication device", because even at the time,
The authors envision "on-line interactive communities" of geographically separated members
connected by common interests rather than location.
This is very similar to how Usenet newsgroups function, and the book already anticipated what
will become the blogs in the future.

LickLider and Taylor envisaged the potential for users to share programs, data, and ideas across a network.
This is just like how Usenet allows users to share information through newsgroups
The authors also describe a "network of networks" that interconnects various computer systems, which is what >
well even before the concept of blockchains.

Loris

2024-09-19 15:58:21 UTC

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Post by CS234
Technologies for democratic society
How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?
UseNet fits into the vision inside
"The Computer as a comunication device", because even at the time,
The authors envision "on-line interactive communities"
of geographically separated members
connected by common interests rather than location.
This is very similar to how Usenet newsgroups function,

and the book already anticipated what

Post by CS234
will become the blogs in the future.
LickLider and Taylor envisaged the potential

for users to share programs,

Post by CS234
data, and ideas across a network.
This is just like how Usenet allows users to share

information through newsgroups

Post by CS234
The authors also describe a "network of networks"

that interconnects various computer systems,

Post by CS234
which is what decentralized systems were
well even before the concept of blockchains.

root

2024-09-19 17:46:53 UTC

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Aspects Licklider and Taylor imagined similarly are that the computer would enable
long distance communication and minimise having to travel back and forth for in-person
meetings. Usenet provides a platform for people to chat to each other at their own
discretion. While a phone call requires two people to agree to 'meet', BBS allow users
to communicate at their leisure and enable more effective communication.

However, they overestimated the capacity of technology at the time of Usenet. They
believed that people would be able to have a personal AI assistent (OLIVER) to handle
schduling or menial tasks. This contrasts Usenets true application, which is providing
a democratised, free and open BBS to voice thoughts and opinions.

Owen

2024-09-19 18:27:42 UTC

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Post by root

Aspects Licklider and Taylor imagined similarly are that the computer would enable
long distance communication and minimise having to travel back and forth for in-person
meetings. Usenet provides a platform for people to chat to each other at their own
discretion. While a phone call requires two people to agree to 'meet', BBS allow users
to communicate at their leisure and enable more effective communication.
However, they overestimated the capacity of technology at the time of Usenet. They
believed that people would be able to have a personal AI assistent (OLIVER) to handle
schduling or menial tasks. This contrasts Usenets true application, which is providing
a democratised, free and open BBS to voice thoughts and opinions.

Owen

2024-09-19 18:29:16 UTC

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Post by root

Aspects Licklider and Taylor imagined similarly are that the computer would enable
long distance communication and minimise having to travel back and forth for in-person
meetings. Usenet provides a platform for people to chat to each other at their own
discretion. While a phone call requires two people to agree to 'meet', BBS allow users
to communicate at their leisure and enable more effective communication.
However, they overestimated the capacity of technology at the time of Usenet. They
believed that people would be able to have a personal AI assistent (OLIVER) to handle
schduling or menial tasks. This contrasts Usenets true application, which is providing
a democratised, free and open BBS to voice thoughts and opinions.

Owen

2024-09-19 18:34:35 UTC

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root

2024-09-20 01:10:30 UTC

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Is this where I am supposed to write the message ? What’s the difference between a follow up and a reply ? Anyways.
Is this whole usenet system still active in any way ? On one hand it seems very outdated and inconvenient, but on another… this is still running smoothly and seems to be maintained competently. Never underestimate legacy systems’ ability to stick around I guess. I wonder who’ sjob it is to upkeep 50-year old obsolete internet forums for… whoever still uses them
I find this interesting, and quite frankly a little nostalgic, despite never living in a period where this was at its height. It harkens back to an older period of computers, where the internet was less comercialised, less pervasive and all around us

Francesco

2024-09-20 09:21:55 UTC

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In “The Computer as a Communication Device”, Licklider and Taylor demonstrated remarkable foresight in predicting what would eventually become the internet. Many of their ideas were actualized in Usenet, in particular:
* Their vision of online communities based on shared interests rather than physical proximity has come to pass, as seen in Usenet communities.
* Their concept of computer networks is realized through the peer-to-peer network of Usenet.
* Their model of interactive communication is partially realized through Usenet, as the sharing of text over long distances facilitated communication.
However:
* Usenet only allowed text to be shared, so their vision of a “shared mental model” would only be fully realized later.
* The price they predicted was much higher than what was required at the time to communicate through Usenet.
* The societal impact of Usenet was limited. Although people managed to share information, including educational knowledge, it did not have the widespread influence that would only come later with other platforms.

Brian Jean Claud El Banna

2024-09-20 09:48:14 UTC

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Licklider envisioned computers as powerful tools to enhance communication and help collaboration,
and Usenet closely aligns with this vision by providing one of the first global platforms for people to exchange
ideas and engage in discussions across different cities/countries/continents.
Its decentralized structure allowed users to collaborate, share knowledge freely, and build interactive
communities, fulfilling Licklider’s goal of democratizing information and communication.

However, certain aspects have evolved differently from his vision. The lack of moderation in many newsgroups
led to issues like spam which hindered productive discourse. Additionally, Usenet’s text-based
interface, while groundbreaking at the time, limited accessibility compared to modern platforms that offer more
intuitive, multimedia-rich experiences. Moreover, the rise of tools like search engines has since transformed
online collaboration, surpassing Usenet’s initial offerings by making interactions faster and more dynamic.

root

2024-09-20 09:56:45 UTC

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Licklider and Taylor envisioned computers as tools for real-time, interactive collaboration, where people could share and develop ideas together, using dynamic models and processes. While Usenet allowed global communication by letting users post and discuss messages, it was mostly text-based and asynchronous, lacking the live, real-time interaction they imagined. Usenet didn’t offer the kind of creative, model-driven collaboration or the ability to work on complex tasks together, which were central to Licklider and Taylor’s vision. It connected people, but didn’t provide the deeper, interactive experience they believed would revolutionize communication.

Cyrielle

2024-09-20 12:45:01 UTC

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In the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in "The Computer as a Communication Device",they were right about
the interconnecting between computers. In Usenet, people can communicate easily, even if they are “geographically”
very far away.However, they were a little bit overexcited about the actual development it could have.
What I mean is, that there is no “OLIVER” (IA) checking this for you,and learning on itself here. Also, it’s not
used only for scientific purposes or job-related matters. They evoke the fact that it could be more widely
used, and it is. People come here to talk about all different subjects and exchange information, opinions…

Marwa

2024-09-20 13:08:50 UTC

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Usenet fits into Licklider and Taylor’s vision of computers as communication tools by
allowing open discussions among users worldwide. As they predicted in "The Computer as a
Communication Device”, Usenet enables collaborative communication, allowing users to
share knowledge, discuss topics, and solve problems across vast distances. This online
community reflects their idea of computers connecting people and encouraging
collaboration. However, some aspects of Usenet have evolved differently. While the authors
envisioned real-time, interactive communication, Usenet operates asynchronously, with users
posting and accessing content at different times. Additionally, it’s text-based, whereas they
imagined more advanced multimedia exchanges that modern platforms now offer. Though
Usenet is considered the groundwork for distributed communication, it lacks the real-time
interaction and multimedia aspects and capabilities that are central to today’s collaborative
tools like video-calls and social media platforms.

Joe

2024-09-20 14:32:25 UTC

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Hello,

I believe the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor was a bit more advanced than what Usenet provides.
On one hand, it is true that Usenet is in the spirit of what they had described in the text:
it allowed its users to find communities that share the same interests as them, and to communicate with them.
This allowed the users to engage in interactive discussions about topics that they really care about, with people from all around the world.
As described in the text, Usenet managed to “interconnect the separate communities and [...] transform them into a supercommunity”.

On the other hand, unlike what was described in the text, Usenet doesn’t allow us to interact “as much through it as face to face”.
But their prediction was far from being wrong, since nowadays we can find countless applications that allow us to do so.
Another point that they didn’t get right was the price of communicating, which turned out to be much less of a problem than what they initially thought.

Kind Regards

root

2024-09-20 15:09:06 UTC

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testing testing 1 2 3

yannis

2024-09-20 15:52:41 UTC

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La tecnología ha transformado radicalmente nuestra
vida diaria. Desde la manera en que nos comunicamos hasta cómo trabajamos,
los avances tecnológicos han facilitado nuestras tareas y conectado al mundo entero.
El acceso a la información se ha vuelto más rápido y amplio, lo que permite a las personas
aprender y compartir conocimientos instantáneamente. Sin embargo, tambié
n presenta desafíos como la dependencia digital y problemas de privacidad
. Es esencial encontrar un equilibrio entre aprovechar sus beneficios y
proteger nuestra seguridad y bienestar
. La tecnología, bien utilizada, puede ser una poderosa
herramienta para el progreso humano y el desarrollo sostenible.

root

2024-09-20 16:06:11 UTC

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Nail

2024-09-20 16:10:55 UTC

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test test

Nail

2024-09-20 16:13:53 UTC

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test v2

Nail

2024-09-20 16:19:29 UTC

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test test test

Nail

2024-09-20 16:37:46 UTC

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One of the aspects of their vision that is realized through Usenet is the fact that it provided a free and open
access to information that made sharing of knowledge easier. Another aspects of their vision realized is that
Usenet was decentralized and the Usenet servers were interconnected and thus Usenet was not managed by a government or
a private company.Finally, the other aspect of their vision that was realized is that Usenet put the emphasis on making
communication easier. Unfortunatly, the authors did not predict that Usenet would be also used to spread undesirable
messages such as spams and Usenet lacked an immediate interaction caused by messages posted with a delay.

root

2024-09-21 16:29:33 UTC

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root

2024-09-22 10:43:53 UTC

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Ralph Chidiac

2024-09-21 09:52:46 UTC

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In their vision, Licklider and Taylor imagined computers as tools for
collaborative communication, allowing users to share information globally.
Usenet reealizes this through structure, where individuals can participate in
discussions across various topics without needing real-time interaction.
The decentralized nature of Usenet aligns with their concept of
interconnected communication, fostering global collaboration. However,
one aspect that has evolved differently is the lack of real-time
collaboration, which modern platforms such as Slack or Microsoft Teams
fulfill more effectively. Usenet's reliance on threaded, asynchronous
communication doesn't fully capture the real-time interaction Licklider and
Taylor anticipated.

Gabriel Chidiac

2024-09-21 11:07:42 UTC

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The vision laid out by Licklider and Taylor emphasized the idea of computers
as tools for collaborative communication, allowing global interaction without
the barriers of time or distance. Usenet embodies much of this vision by
providing a platform where users from all over the world can engage in
discussions asynchronously, sharing knowledge on a variety of topics.
However, Licklider and Taylor also foresaw real-time, interactive
communication, which Usenet lacks. Modern communication tools like instant
messaging and video conferencing better reflect this aspect of their
vision, but Usenet's role in democratizing information access remains
significant.

Nono

2024-09-21 12:58:22 UTC

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nono

2024-09-21 13:15:28 UTC

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Post by CS234
This thread is intended for the student
How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?
Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

root

2024-09-21 13:46:20 UTC

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As Licklider and Taylor predicted, the computer was the communication device of the future.
They were right about many things. UseNet is a good illustration of some of them.

As we could see Tuesday, UseNet was used to share information, talk and debate of some themes.
It has a system of NewsGroup that clearly helps to share on precise subjects.
Licklider and Taylor talked about the fact that the computer would mainly unite people not
by groups of people living far away from the others, but by subjects and
common interest of the users, so they can share data and work together.

Another main point was the access, equal participation. On UseNet, except the moderators or the,
there isn’t a clear hierarchy, everyone can participate as much as the others.

However, they forgot many of the inconveniences that could cause those devices. And I think they
exaggerated all the team work that would be done far from the others. It is sure that we don't
travel as much as before for work reasons,but sometimes it can be better to speak in front of
the other and help each other more easily in presential.

luca

2024-09-21 13:53:39 UTC

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root

2024-09-21 14:13:02 UTC

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Usenet fits into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in the sense that they had envisioned
computers as means to facilitate communication between people that share common interests, regardless
of the distances that seperate them. This vision is realized by Usenet, notibly by allowing users from
various geographical locations to collectively share knowledge.

The most obvious aspect of Usenet that diverges slightly from Licklider and Taylor's vision is probably
the concept of real-time interaction. While this would technically be possible through the platform,
Usenet lacks the fluidity of a real time face to face conversation, and rather acts as more of an
asynchronous platform, in which messages are posted and responded over time. I feel that it is important to
note that, while this immediaty of conversation perhaps lacks, the collaboration aspect that they envisioned
is certainly present within the Usenet system. :)
certainly present

j***@purpletree.dont-email.me

2024-09-21 15:03:26 UTC

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Usenet firs into the vision of Licklider and Taylor in several aspects.
Fundamentally, Usenet connects people which is precisely what they envisioned.
Furthermore, the platform allows for the spread of dynamic information to which everyone with access to a computer,
which is the majority of a modern society, can access.
Beyond just spreading information, its users can also educate themselves on topics of interest that they might have
and even outlive their creativity when it comes to writing their own contributions to Usenet.
In conclusion, a multitude of their visions came to life in the form of Usenet.

Aspects that evolved differently as envisioned by the two authors,
were more about the economical and not technical aspects.
What they failed to predict is that the computer enabled economic growth.
This might be due to the new sectors it created and also through optimizing various economical processes.

Julien

2024-09-21 15:07:21 UTC

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2024-09-21 16:22:39 UTC

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2024-09-21 16:26:03 UTC

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Hassan

2024-09-21 17:11:28 UTC

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Usenet is a very useful tool for improving communication, and many aspects from Licklider and Taylor’s view can be found here.This discussion system first broke the barrier of distance.People from different continents can join newsgroups, exchange ideas, and interact on various topics. More importantly, people choose the topics they want to discuss. This tool also contributes significantly to knowledge sharing reflecting the author’s vision on how computers can foster cooperation and sharing of programs. Nevertheless, some aspects evolved differently. For example, the asynchronous communication (I have to make posts / read and then respond to a post) doesn’t fully support their vision as ideas are not exchanged instantly. Moreover costs they imagined were higher than actual ones (cost of transmission which is now almost insignificant). Usenet’s text-based format also limits interaction, lacking the real-time collaboration the modern technology provides. However ,Usenet remains a practical tool for improving collaboration and reflects the author’s forward-thinking vision.

root

2024-09-21 17:20:00 UTC

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testing testing 1,2,3

Nicola

2024-09-21 17:54:21 UTC

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Post by CS234
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Usenet seems to implement a communication architecture quite
similar to Lickerand Taylor's idea at the time.
In particular with the idea of "message processors"and "switching
facilities", which are very much similar to the Usenet servers and
users diagram. Usenet is also "only" a message processor and is not
capable of doing what they imagined (executing code, sharing files,
permissions,etc.),but other systems, both centralized and not did it.
The modern web also took a different approach, with a more
centralized infrastructure,but multiple of their vision has been
brought to fruition (spreading of information using a network of
computers, instant communication, teleconferences, sharing files,
partially the artificial intelligence, etc.).

miraytumer

2024-09-21 18:48:02 UTC

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Technologies for democratic society

As Licklider and Taylor predicted in "The Computer as a Communication Device",
Usenet brings people of similar interests together by using interconnected computers as
communication devices that don't require proximity, which simplies communication and helps people save money
(the overall access to internet increased as the costs decreased, which they also predicted).
For the case of Usenet, it wasn't widely available to everyone and easy to use for everyone
as their vision and wasn't developped enough for people to choose it over
real life communication (we can say that even today with our
developped websites and apps, some people would still prefer face to face meetings.)

test

2024-09-21 21:12:53 UTC

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anon

2024-09-21 21:26:20 UTC

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Usenet realizes Licklider and Taylor's idea of a network of connected computers
sharing information. In particular, every Usenet user may have their own distinct
hardware and software, but they are still able to communicate to other Usenet
users via a specific protocol. The communication can take place across very large
distances and they're not limited to just within a building or room.

One difference between computers today and Licklider's essay is that Licklider
believed in "multiaccess computer systems" that could be remotely logged into and
controlled by users. In the age of Usenet, we instead have a lot of single access
computer systems (one for each user), which can remotely connect to a server.
Then, the relevant information processing is done partly by the client computer
and partly by the server computer.

NBCCF025

2024-09-22 01:03:03 UTC

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Usenet facilitated the sharing of knowledge and problem-solving through threaded discussions.
Licklider and Taylor's vision hinted at a future where communication through computers would be intuitive and accessible.
Usenet, being text-based and command-line driven,
required technical knowledge, making it less accessible to the general population.

root

2024-09-22 10:41:28 UTC

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miraytumer

2024-09-22 01:17:18 UTC

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Post by CS234
This thread is intended for the students

of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

As Licklider and Taylor predicted in "The Computer as
a Communication Device", a multiaccess site (Usenet) brings
people of similar interests together by using interconnected computers
as communication devices that don't require proximity,
which simplifies communication and helps people save money
(the overall access to internet increased as the costs
decreased, which they also predicted).
For the case of Usenet, it wasn't widely available to everyone
at the time it was popular: you had to have access to a computer
and be familiar with how to use it, as the interface wasn't
well developped and easy to use for everyone, which wasn't their vision.
It also wasn't, not even nearly, developped well enough for people
to choose it over real life communication (we can say that even today
with our developped websites and apps, some people would still prefer
face to face meetings, which they thought would be over.)

noname

2024-09-22 01:47:13 UTC

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Post by CS234
This thread is intended for the students of

CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

root

2024-09-22 03:20:03 UTC

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paresseux <paresseux888.eternal-september.org>> wrote:
(I hope i'm doing this the right way)

I think that usenet is defenitly something that at least in someway fits into Licklider's vision.
Because people here can connect with that have the same interest as them.
Communities don't have to be only based on location anymore.

In "A Theory of the Democratic Process", it is said that
"The demos must have the exclusive opportunity to decide how matters are to be placed on the agenda
of matters that are to be decided by means of the democratic process." (page 113)
But on usenet there are groups that have moderators that have all the power.
That means that it is not a democraty.

root

2024-09-22 03:29:55 UTC

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2024-09-22 10:10:37 UTC

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greg

2024-09-22 10:24:27 UTC

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Firstly, UseNet represents the beginning of the new era of communication by devices. For the first time, it
allowed people to communicate in groups simultaneously all around the world (what the authors thought by
collaboration through interconnected computers).

Moreover, the fact that most of UseNet’s groups are open and free to everyone reflects the author’s vision of
equal participation, which is one of the strengths of these new forms of communication. No matter who you are,
you can express your opinion, engage in debates and learn to/from others.

However, the authors didn’t anticipate that these tools would be used for advertising tools and spams, practices
that have diminished the ideal of perfect communication that they imagined.

root

2024-09-22 10:27:38 UTC

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I'm sorry i need to post this in order to test something :)

root

2024-09-22 10:31:46 UTC

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Post by CS234
This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society
How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?
Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.
Usenet is really cool. I think it revolutionized how we communicate as a society. Not only did it help us
communicate on a massive scale, but it also decentralized how we communicate, as we do not need to rely on
an authority to allow us to communicate

AlaaChakirr

2024-09-22 11:15:24 UTC

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Post by CS234
This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society
How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?
Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.
Usenet is really cool. I think it revolutionized how we communicate as a society. Not only did it help us
communicate on a massive scale. However it also decentralized how we communicate, as we do not need to rely on
an authority to allow us to communicate

Basile Wohlers

2024-09-22 11:27:22 UTC

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In their article, LickLider and Taylor envisioned a network connecting multiple computers, alowing users to upload files and software that anyone in the newtork could access and
benefit. Usenet is however a bit different here, as it primarly facilates the sharing of information and discussions rather than software. This feature of spreading information and
making it accessible was also discussed in their article.
Nevertheless, Licklider and Taylor tended to view technological advancements through rose-tinted glasses, overlooking potential negative outcomes. For instance, they did not anticipate
the risks associated with malicious entities exploiting these networks. In the context of Usenet, this negligence manifested when companies began to use the platform as a free advertising space,
leading to widespread spam. This spam not only diminished the user experience but also contributed significantly to the decline in Usenet's popularity and user base.

Chaumulon

2024-09-22 11:29:53 UTC

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The first experience with Usenet is a bit confusing.
The interface is simple, almost plain, far from modern platforms.
You’re faced with a list of discussion groups, not knowing where to start.
As you browse through the messages, you find direct exchanges,
discussion on various topics.
It feels like stepping back in time to when the internet was rougher
and less regulated.
It’s a different environment, more technical, where every message come
from a specialized community.

matteo

2024-09-22 11:55:13 UTC

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Usenet was at the forefront of how Licklider and Taylor envisioned « The
Computer as a Communication Device ». In their paper, they argued that
communication isn't just about exchanging data but that involves collaboration
that leads to new ideas and insights. Usenet was useful in this regard, as it
allowed for the creation of online interactive communities «not of common
location, but of common interest», interconnected by telecommunications
channels. This made information easily accessible, providing, as they mentioned
« plenty of opportunity for everyone to find his calling, for the whole world
of information, with all its fields and disciplines».

Despite this, Licklider and Taylor did not anticipate the rise of malicious
users and activities such as spamming on the internet, which led to advertising
and made Usenet less enjoyable for its users. In their vision, these new
communication networks would only improve the overall experience of
collaborative innovation and knowledge sharing.

fatsquid

2024-09-22 12:57:08 UTC

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Usenet kind of fits Licklider and Taylor’s vision. It definitely lets people communicate and share ideas, like they imagined with their "community of people."
You can post things and others reply, it’s interactive, and it’s open to everyone, which is nice. But it's not exactly like they thought.

the internet evolved in ways they didn't predict, like with social media and instant messaging,
which are way faster and more popular. Also, Usenet can get messy with trolls and spam, so it’s not always the collaborative utopia they imagined.

Name

2024-09-22 13:03:20 UTC

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Many aspects discussed in The Computer as a Communication Device
are realized through Usenet. First, the Communities of interest
aspect: Usenet was built around the concept of newsgroups,
connecting people with the same center of interests and enabling
them to share their ideas and to debate and exchange information
about subjects that unite them.The second aspect is the
interconnected networks. It is clear that Usenet allows for
the mixing and interconnection of subjects. Another aspect
is the decentralized access. In Usenet, anyone can participate
without any centralized control, which resonates with the
vision of an open network stated in the article, allowing
widespread access to information.

For the aspects that have evolved differently, we can
name real-time communication. The vision emphasizes
real-time interaction whereas in Usenet, the concept
focuses on asynchronous posting and probably delayed
responses with no immediate dialogue. There is
also the idea of a very sophisticated interface
like the Oliver program, but we can notice that
the Unenet interface is not really user-friendly
and is not really personalizable nor adaptable to
every user. We can also note a difference in terms
of the security and privacy concerns. On one hand,
the envisioned system is well-controlled and respectful of
the environment. On the other hand, Usenet is subject to
various security and privacy issues such as spam and trolling.

root

2024-09-22 13:06:21 UTC

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Many aspects discussed in “The Computer as a Communication Device”
are realized through Usenet. First, the Communities of interest
aspect: Usenet was built around the concept of newsgroups,
connecting people with the same center of interests and enabling
them to share their ideas and to debate and exchange information
about subjects that unite them. This idea is mentioned in the
article: “… They will be communities not of common location
but of common interest.” The second aspect is the
interconnected networks. It is clear that Usenet allows for
the mixing and interconnection of subjects. Another aspect
is the decentralized access. In Usenet, anyone can participate
without any centralized control, which resonates with the
vision of an open network stated in the article, allowing
widespread access to information.

For the aspects that have evolved differently, we can
name real-time communication. The vision emphasizes
real-time interaction whereas in Usenet, the concept
focuses on asynchronous posting and probably delayed
responses with no immediate dialogue. There is
also the idea of a very sophisticated interface
like the “Oliver program”, but we can notice that
the Unenet interface is not really user-friendly
and is not really personalizable nor adaptable to
every user. We can also note a difference in terms
of the security and privacy concerns. On one hand,
the envisioned system is well-controlled and respectful of
the environment. On the other hand, Usenet is subject to
various security and privacy issues such as spam and trolling.

GabChaumulon

2024-09-22 13:20:06 UTC

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Usenet illustre plusieurs éléments de la vision de Licklider et Taylor dans "The Computer as a
Communication Device".
D'une part, il permet une communication décentralisée grâce à un modèle distribué, ce qui favorise
des échanges sans serveur central. Il encourage également le partage d'idées et la collaboration,
facilitant les discussions sur une grande variété de sujets. De plus, la diversité des newsgroups
sur Usenet correspond à leur aspiration d'un accès à des centres d'intérêt variés.
Cependant, certains aspects évoluent différemment. L'interface textuelle de Usenet peut sembler peu
conviviale, rendant son utilisation moins accessible. Contrairement à leur vision d'un dialogue en
temps réel, Usenet fonctionne de manière asynchrone, ce qui peut ralentir les échanges. Enfin, les
défis liés à la modération du contenu, comme le spam, n'étaient pas entièrement prévus.

paresseux

2024-09-22 14:05:08 UTC

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paresseux <paresseux888.eternal-september.org> wrote:
(I hope i'm doing this the right way)

I think that usenet is defenitly something that at least in someway fits into Licklider's vision.
Because people here can connect with that have the same interest as them.
Communities don't have to be only based on location anymore.

In "A Theory of the Democratic Process", it is said that
"The demos must have the exclusive opportunity to decide how matters are to be placed on the agenda
of matters that are to be decided by means of the democratic process." (page 113)
But on usenet there are groups that have moderators that have all the power.
That means that it is not a democraty.

paresseux

2024-09-22 14:19:30 UTC

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paresseux <paresseux888.dont-email.me> wrote:
(I hope i'm doing this the right way (attempt 6)

I think that usenet is defenitly something that at least in someway fits into Licklider's vision.
Because people here can connect with that have the same interest as them.
Communities don't have to be only based on location anymore.

In "A Theory of the Democratic Process", it is said that
"The demos must have the exclusive opportunity to decide how matters are to be placed on the agenda
of matters that are to be decided by means of the democratic process." (page 113)
But on usenet there are groups that have moderators that have all the power.
That means that it is not a democraty.

buenal2003

2024-09-22 16:36:27 UTC

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In their paper "The Computer as a Communication Device" Licklider and
Taylor focus on how computers should be used to facilitate communication
and collaboration by enabling acces to vast resources and creating online
communities based on shared interest rather than geograpihcal location.
They want to create a platform where there is an interactive, creative
communication, one that enriches everyone involved. Usenet emodies this
by enabling global communication through decentralized discussion forums.
Usenet aligns with their vision in the sense that it is an open community
accessible to all,even people with economic restraints.
There is no central authority who controls the content
or the acces. Another plus is that, Licklider and Taylor acknowledged
that collaboration should be able to occur at any time zones and schedules,
Usenet fulfills this through its asynchronous communication.
However, there are aspects of usenet that evolved differently than what was
envisioned. For example usenet lacks tools such as facetiming,image sharing
which constitute some of the core visions for digital communication of
Licklider and Taylor.It is a text based system which is a limited type of
communication that isnt as fast as face to face communication or
using images. There is also the fact that usenet doesn't have the best user
interface. What Taylor and Licklider predicted was a more
user-friendly and intuitive platform. While usenet is relatively
difficult to navigate for the average user compared to today's social
media and forums which have more accessible features.
Also licklider and taylors vision highlighted a sense of collective
control and moderation by users. Usenet decentralized nature leads to a lack
of moderation that leads to spam, trolling etc.
To conclude, at the time usenet as created it as revolutionary and had some
key alignments ith what licklider and taylor envisioned. But as technology
moved on, it faded into the background because of some other core ideas
(facetiming, instant messaging, filtering) that weren't implemented, as
new technologies emerged.

buenal2003

2024-09-22 16:42:50 UTC

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In their paper "The Computer as a Communication Device" Licklider and
Taylor focus on how computers should be used to facilitate communication
and collaboration by enabling acces to vast resources and creating online
communities based on shared interest rather than geograpihcal location.
They want to create a platform where there is an interactive, creative
communication, one that enriches everyone involved. Usenet embodies this
by enabling global communication through decentralized discussion forums.
Usenet aligns with their vision in the sense that it is an open community
accessible to all,even people with economic restraints.
There is no central authority who controls the content
or the acces. Another plus is that, Licklider and Taylor acknowledged
that collaboration should be able to occur at any time zones and schedules,
Usenet fulfills this through its asynchronous communication.
However, there are aspects of usenet that are different than what was
envisioned. For example usenet lacks tools such as facetiming,image sharing
which constitute some of the core visions for digital communication of
Licklider and Taylor.It is a text based system which is a limited type of
communication that isnt as fast as face to face communication or
using images. There is also the fact that usenet doesn't have the best user
interface. What Taylor and Licklider predicted was a more
user-friendly and intuitive platform. While usenet is relatively
difficult to navigate for the average user compared to today's social
media and forums which have more accessible features.
To conclude, at the time usenet as created it as revolutionary and had some
key alignments ith what licklider and taylor envisioned. But as technology
moved on, it faded into the background because of some other core ideas
(facetiming, instant messaging, filtering) that weren't implemented, as
new technologies emerged.

buenal2003

2024-09-22 16:45:48 UTC

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In their paper "The Computer as a Communication Device" Licklider and
Taylor focus on how computers should be used to facilitate communication
and collaboration by enabling access to vast resources and creating online
communities based on shared interest rather than geographical location.
They want to create a platform where there is an interactive, creative
communication, one that enriches everyone involved. Usenet embodies this
by enabling global communication through decentralized discussion forums.
Usenet aligns with their vision in the sense that it is an open community
accessible to all, even people with economic restraints.
There is no central authority who controls the content
or the access. Another plus is that, Licklider and Taylor acknowledged
that collaboration should be able to occur at any time zones and schedules,
Usenet fullfills this through its asynchronous communication.
However, there are aspects of usenet that are different than what they
envisioned. For example usenet lacks tools such as face timing,image sharing
which constitute some of the core visions for digital communication of
Licklider and Taylor.It is a text based system which is a limited type of
communication that isn’t as fast as face to face communication or
using images. There is also the fact that usenet doesn't have the best user
interface. What Taylor and Licklider predicted was a more
user-friendly and intuitive platform. While usenet is relatively
difficult to navigate for the average user compared to today's social
media and forums which have more accessible features.
To conclude, at the time usenet as created it as revolutionary and had some
key alignments with what licklider and taylor envisioned. But as technology
moved on, it faded into the background because of some other core ideas
(face timing, instant messaging, filtering) that weren't implemented, as
new technologies emerged.

root

2024-09-22 18:00:01 UTC

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Usenet was the Founding Father of today's social
media and it fit Licklider and Taylor's ideology through
its easy access to a wide range of topics through the newschannels.
It allows a centralization of communication from anywhere
across the world, fitting the description of "geographically separated members"
able to communicate seamlessly to each other.
However, the rising of more graphically-inclined
and accessible programms such as actual social media platforms fits more
Licklider and Taylor's vision of "fast and flexible graphic display" that
was very difficult to produce in their times. Usenet is at the end only
a forum and Licklider and Taylor's hopes for code sharing, remote code execution,
permissions controls, etc. wouldn't be fulfilled through Usenet but by
much more recent applications such as GitHub, Desktop sharing, etc.
But evidently, none of these could've existed without Usenet paving the way first.

Lorie

2024-09-22 18:12:22 UTC

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Usenet is the Founding Father of today's social
media and it fit Licklider and Taylor's ideology through
its easy access to a wide range of topic discussions through the newsgroups.
It allows the centralization of communication from anywhere
across the world, fitting the description of "geographically separated
members" able to communicate seamlessly with each other.
However, the rising of more graphically-inclined
and accessible programs such as actual social media platforms fits more
Licklider and Taylor's vision of "fast and flexible graphic display" that
was very difficult to produce in their times. Usenet is at the end only
a forum and Licklider and Taylor's hopes for code sharing, remote code
execution, permissions controls, etc. wouldn't be fulfilled through Usenet
but by much more recent applications such as GitHub, desktop sharing
applications, etc.
But evidently, none of these could've existed without Usenet paving
the way first.

root

2024-09-22 18:16:20 UTC

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According to Licklider and Taylor in "The Computer as a Communication Device", the development of computers would allow people to communicate outside of a face-to-face
interaction by exchanging digital messages. This was the main feature of Usenet, allowing the sharing of information and ideas relatively fast no matter the distance,
which would have taken significantly longer using classical modes of communication.
Furthermore, Licklider and Taylor predicted that this facilitation of communication would create communities based on shared interests rather than geographical proximity.
This is directly seen in Usenet which is organized in a hierarchy of topics to which the user can subscribe, which greatly facilitates discussion and the building
of collaborative knowledge. The authors also mention the direct access to resources through computers, for which Usenet is a great example of since it allowed its users
to share information regarding a topic, that anyone having access to the technology could read, thus promoting collaborative learning.

However, Licklider and Taylor also envisioned features that are not seen in Usenet, such as real-time interaction and communication, whereas Usenet only allowed
asynchronous communication, and users responded whenever they wanted.
For the same reasons, collaborative work sessions imagined by the authours were not possible in Usenet, since it had no real-time features allowing interactive meetings.
Another point of their visions that is not reflected in Usenet is the concept of OLIVER, a personal assistant managing information and tasks on behalf of the user.
Usenet didn’t provide any of these features since users had to manually sort through messages and manage their engagement with newsgroups.

Clement

2024-09-22 18:37:28 UTC

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According to Licklider and Taylor in "The Computer as a Communication Device", the development of computers would allow people to communicate outside of a face-to-face
interaction by exchanging digital messages. This was the main feature of Usenet, allowing the sharing of information and ideas relatively fast no matter the distance,
which would have taken significantly longer using classical modes of communication.
Furthermore, Licklider and Taylor predicted that this facilitation of communication would create communities based on shared interests rather than geographical proximity.
This is directly seen in Usenet which is organized in a hierarchy of topics to which the user can subscribe, which greatly facilitates discussion and the building of
collaborative knowledge. The authors also mention the direct access to resources through computers, for which Usenet is a great example of since it allowed its users
to share information regarding a topic, that anyone having access to the technology could read, thus promoting collaborative learning.

However, Licklider and Taylor also envisioned features that are not seen in Usenet, such as real-time interaction and communication, whereas Usenet only allowed
asynchronous communication, and users responded whenever they wanted. For the same reasons, collaborative work sessions imagined by the authours were not possible in
Usenet, since it had no real-time features allowing interactive meetings. Another point of their visions that is not reflected in Usenet is the concept of OLIVER,
a personal assistant managing information and tasks on behalf of the user. Usenet didn’t provide any of these features since users had to manually sort through
messages and manage their engagement with newsgroups.

root

2024-09-22 19:01:18 UTC

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Usenet represents much of what the authors envisioned for computers as communication tools, especially in how it allowed people to connect and share, on a large scale.
It was a premise and showed the potential for decentralized networks where users could engage in discussions and share ideas from all over the world.
However, it didn't fully live up to the vision they had. Indeed, it struggled with issues such as spam and absence of moderation.
To conclude, Usenet inbodies some aspects of the vision Licklider and Taylor had, it wasn't the interactive and problem solving network they had hoped for.

Triscen

2024-09-22 19:10:30 UTC

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This is a repost, I had forgotten to modify the From: header.

Usenet represent much of what the authours envisioned for computers as communication tools, especially in how it allowed
people to connect and share, on a large scale.
It was a premise and showed the potential for decentralized networks where users could engage in discussions and share
ideas from all over the world.
However, it didn't fully live up to the vision they had. Indeed it struggled with isszes such as spam and absence of
moderation.
To conclude, Usenet inbodies some aspects of the vision Licklider and Taylor had, but it wasn't the interactive and
problem solving network they had hoped for.

root

2024-09-22 20:32:24 UTC

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Licklider and Taylor envisioned a future where computers would enable
people to collaborate more effectively, sharing ideas and solving
problems in a highly interactive way. Usenet reflects part of this
vision by allowing users from all over to engage in discussions,
exchange knowledge, and build communities around common interests.

However, Usenet differs from their vision in important ways.
While it facilitates communication, it remains mostly text-based and lacks the interactive,
dynamic tools they anticipated. Instead of real-time collaborative problem-solving,
Usenet focuses more on open conversations and information sharing.

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root

2024-09-22 20:51:47 UTC

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Licklider and Taylor envisioned a future where computers would enable people
to collaborate more effectively, sharing ideas and solving problems in a
highly interactive way. Usenet reflects part of this vision by allowing users
from all over to engage in discussions, exchange knowledge, and build communities around common interests.

However, Usenet differs from their vision in important ways.
While it facilitates communication, it remains mostly text-based and lacks the interactive,
dynamic tools they anticipated. Instead of real-time collaborative problem-solving,
Usenet focuses more on open conversations and information sharing.

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XrrAyy

2024-09-22 22:38:26 UTC

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Hello,

I think that Usenet reflects parts of Licklider and Taylor's vision.
They imagined computers as tools for people to share ideas and work together, which is similar to how
Usenet allowed people to post and discuss information in online groups.
It created the kind of "online interactive communities" they predicted and thought computers could make possible.

On the other hand, some things turned out differently. Licklider and Taylor pictured computer networks supporting fast,
real-time communication with multimedia, but Usenet was mostly text-based and not as fast.
While Usenet helped people connect and share ideas, things like social media and instant messaging
better matched their idea of rich, fast, and interactive communication. Usenet was a good start, but it didn’t fully capture their vision.

Sad

2024-09-22 22:53:31 UTC

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The two authors Licklider and Taylor did manage to predict some features of Usenet in their book
“The Computer as a Communication Device”, and these are:
- The use of a store-and-forward system service, as users could retrieve articles and content whenever they wanted.
- An early implementation of an experimental network of computers
- The fostering of a digital community geographically distant, but intellectually close.

On the other hand, some of their predictions were also inaccurate: - From the social perspective, they did not foresee the rise of spams and other bad agents, while greatly exaggerating the social benefits (such as the disappearance of unemployment).
- Furthermore, more interactive communications through images and other dynamic medium were still not possible in
Usenet, so the “cooperative modelling” described in the book will be achieved only later.
- From the technical point of view, the multiaccess systems capabilities (which were allegedly capable of running
programs, managing files, and interacting with remote systems at the same time) were greatly overestimated,
and were not realised with Usenet.
- Finally, from an economical standpoint, the cost of the system was exaggerated.

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2024-09-22 23:01:22 UTC

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Nicolas Khamis

2024-09-23 08:32:45 UTC

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Licklider and Taylor envisioned a future where computers enable interactive, collaborative communication.
In my opinion, Usenet aligns with this vision in several ways :
It serves as a platform for widespread, decentralized communication, allowing users from all over the world to share information in real-time.
However, some aspects have evolved differently.For instance, Usenet lacks some of the user-friendly interfaces and instant feedback mechanisms
that modern social media platforms provide.
Overall, Usenet was an early step toward fulfilling their vision, but today’s tools like video conferencing and collaborative
platforms are more aligned with their dream of seamless, real-time interaction.

Nonelse28

2024-09-23 09:00:40 UTC

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- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Usenet led to the creation of communities based on interests rather than
on geographical proximity. With its forum system opened to everybody, anyone can
easily browse the categories and reach those that interest them.
It also allowed people to connect together and bring all their knowledge in
one place which makes learning more efficient and thus people become more productive.

Usenet didn't allow unemployment to disappear, despite it's potential to bring together
employers and employees from all places. Technologies even tends, sometimes,
to replace human workers.
Licklider and Taylor also didn't imagine that connecting people through the computers
may lead to some use of the technology for selfish interests such as advertising
massivly which deteriorate the other user's experience.

Nonelse

2024-09-23 09:21:31 UTC

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Usenet led to the creation of communities based on interests rather than on
geographical proximity, with its forum system opened to everybody, anyone can
easily browse the categories and reach those that interest them.
It also allowed people to connect together and bring all their knowledge in
one place which makes learning more efficient and thus people become more
productive.

Usenet didn't allow unemployment to disappear, despite it's potential to
bring together employer and employee from all places. Technologies even
tend, sometimes, to replace human workers.
Licklider and Taylor also didn't imagine that connecting people through the
computers may lead to some use of the technology for selfish interests such
as advertising massivly which deteriorates the other user's experience.

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2024-09-23 12:45:37 UTC

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Aymanbel

2024-09-23 13:25:23 UTC

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Licklider and Taylor’s vision in “The Computer as a Communication Device” imagined computers as tools that would revolutionize human
communication, allowing individuals to collaborate and share knowledge in an open and interactive environment. Usenet, launched in
1980, realized this vision to an extent by offering a decentralized platform where individuals could post messages and engage in
discussions across a wide variety of topics. It allowed users to contribute to discussions without relying on a central authority,
fostering the exchange of ideas in a free-flowing, open-ended manner.
This decentralization was key to Usenet’s success, as it empowered users to engage in self-directed conversations, creating
communities around shared interests. The ability for anyone to start or join a discussion on virtually any topic reflected Licklide
r and Taylor’s idea of creating a network where intellectual resources were openly accessible.
However, a key divergence from their vision lay in the challenges Usenet faced, particularly in terms of spam and poor moderation.
Licklider and Taylor imagined an idealized environment where intellectual cooperation flourished seamlessly. They did not foresee
the issues of managing large, open communities or the rise of low-quality content that overwhelmed genuine discussions on Usenet.
As the platform grew, spam became rampant, and maintaining constructive dialogue became increasingly difficult without effective
moderation tools. This lack of quality control undermined the intellectual collaboration they envisioned, as it became harder for
users to sift through irrelevant or harmful content.

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2024-09-23 13:41:58 UTC

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2024-09-23 13:43:34 UTC

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adrien

2024-09-23 14:15:45 UTC

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Hello,

One of the key points of the text is that group interactions will become more efficient thanks to computers and that, as these technologies advance, they will facilitate human communication. Usenet allowed individuals with similar interests but living in different places on earth to share knowledge without having to meet in person. As a result, knowledge was shared more quickly and more constructively. In addition, these discussions reduced our dependence on authorities, granting us greater freedom.

Both authors had not anticipated such rapid development, believing in a slow progression where technology would cause problems, rather than a dynamic and unpredictable evolution.

boris

2024-09-23 14:19:17 UTC

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Usenet essentially puts into practice Licklider and Taylor's vision of
computer-mediated communication, allowing users to share information
across vast distances. The newsgroups create topic-based interactive
communities, mirroring the authors' prediction of "online interactive
communities" with geographically dispersed members. The platform
facilitated information sharing through its message posting and access
system, embodying the authors' concept of computers as tools for
knowledge dissemination. Usenet's store-and-forward model enabled
asynchronous discussions, which strongly reflects Licklider and Taylor's idea of
communication systems that do not require simultaneous user availability.
Its distributed network with no central authority resonates with their
vision of a decentralised communication system. All of that said, the
platform laid important groundwork for subsequent developments in online
communication.
Thank you!